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LOTW vs eQSL – The argument continues

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Recent posts on QRZ.Com and on some blogs shows that there are many people who are still arguing the merits of both LOTW and eQSL. I suspect this argument will go on for eons, or at least another decade.

Before exploring the argument any further, one must acknowledge there are a number of ARRL detractors out there that would not support the ARRL or use an ARRL service if their life depended upon it, no matter how good / useful the service may be to them. They might not come out and tell you that directly, or tell you the reason for it, but it’s obvious in many cases that there is a bias by many against the ARRL.

On the other side of the coin, there are certainly those hams who are such staunch supporters of the ARRL that they would feel they were betraying a family member if they used eQSL or who would insist that LOTW was better than any eQSL service even if LOTW was total garbage.

After you weed out the ARRL detractors as well as those who feel they must defend/support the ARRL at all cost, you can then move on to explore some points of contention amongst those who are otherwise open to using any electronic QSL service as long as it works for them.

  • Authentication
  • This is a multistep process regardless of which service you are using. But there are more steps involved [and some of them are quite controversial and can be more difficult to complete] if you are signing up for LOTW.

    EQSL: Anybody can sign up [for free!] to use eQSL, with our without verifying their identity. This is because eQSL was initially designed to exchange QSLs, not to compete for awards. However, eQSL does offer an awards program. If one wants to participate in their awards programs, they must follow the process to verify their identity. This is done using one of three methods.

    1. Have eQSL send an “authentication code” to your postal address on file with the FCC or RAC (for US and Canadian hams respectively). When you receive the postcard from eQSL, you’ll log into eQSL online and enter the authentication provided on the postcard into the eQSL system.
    2. Provide eQSL with a scanned copy of your signed [by you] amateur radio license that was issued by the appropriate authority in your country. This scanned license is uploaded electronically to eQSL. There is no need to send anything via postal mail. Once the documents are received by eQSL, they will decide whether or not the information is adequate and will designate your account as [Authenticity Guaranteed] or not.
    3. Additionally, it appears that eQSL also is able to authenticate your identity by checking to see if you have been certified already by the ARRL Logbook of the World program.

    LOTW: Anybody can sign up [for free!] to LOTW as well. But given that the LOTW system is designed specifically for awards tracking, all users must be authenticated before they use the system. Like eQSL, you must verify your identity. This can be done via one of the following methods:

    1. Have LOTW send you a postcard to the postal address listed on your license in the FCC database. Because this option relies upon data in the FCC database, this option is only available for U.S. hams. Once you receive the postcard, you would log into LOTW online and enter in the code provided on the postcard.
    2. Non-US hams must send a copy of their amateur license plus an additional form of authentication, such as a copy of their drivers license, passport, a utility bill, or any other document that LOTW has indicated as an acceptable document for authentication purposes. Unlike eQSL, LOTW requires that this process be done via postal mail only. Once LOTW receives the information, they will determine if the supplied documents provide adequate authentication of your identity.
    3. You’ll have to install a program called TrustedQSL (TQSL for short), which is used to generate a certificate signing request (CSR), install the actual certificate that LOTW then provides you, and manage your certificates and your station locations as well as to sign your QSOs before you upload them to LOTW.

    Steps #2 and #3 are by far the most difficult / time-consuming / confusing steps for people to complete and get used to. The biggest gripes about LOTW stem from these steps. However, it is my personal opinion that these steps are manageable and reasonable for the vast majority of people attempting to use LOTW and that the numbers of hams not able to complete this process for legitimate reasons are the minority. There is plenty of help available — via the LOTW help system and via various message boards where other hams will often help you out if you ask.

    I’ll be the first one to admit that if I were from Timbuktu [Mali, DXCC #422], I’d hate to have to go through the process of authenticating myself for participation in the LOTW service. I’d be MFing the ARRL up and down, left and right. But I’d jump through the hoops — I’d go through the trouble — I’d make the effort. It would benefit me and it would benefit my fellow hams who were wanting to confirm me before they died of old age or went bankrupt. If, logistically speaking, it could be done, I’d do it.

    This whole process is meant to provide a greater degree of confidence that the LOTW accountholder is indeed who they say they are and that the QSOs that they are uploading are indeed QSOs that they have generated. Somebody would have to steal both your LOTW site login credentials as well as your complete certificate in order to be able to submit QSOs under your callsign. Whereas with other electronic QSL services all they would need to steal are your site login credentials.

  • QSO Matching
    1. eQSL: In the eQSL system, a person can upload a QSO that they claim to have had with you. As soon as they upload it, it shows up in your Inbox in eQSL. You have the opportunity to confirm the QSO or deny the QSO — even if the QSO never happened.
    2. LOTW: In the LOTW system, if a person uploads a QSO that they claim to have had with you, neither you or they will see any reference to the QSO until you have uploaded a matching QSO with them. Neither you or the other party are given any opportunity to see a QSO that has uploaded unless you’ve uploaded a matching QSO that confirms that the two of you worked.

    I feel there is an important distinction being made here. Why? Hams aren’t perfect. People aren’t perfect. Many are lazy. Many are unethical. Many do not have a strong will. If presented with temptation, some people will taste the forbidden fruit.

    Sure, it is possible for this same thing to happen when paper QSLing as well. But I’d think it is much less likely to happen given the additional effort that has to go into it, not to mention the likelihood that a rare DX station or other entity would confirm your paper QSL with one of their own.

    And yes, I do understand that an invalid QSO could be uploaded referencing an invalid QSO with absolutely no intent by the uploader to cheat. Easy to do. Your log shows a QSO on 20m because you accidentally logged the wrong band, mode or date. Or you typed in the callsign incorrectly, thus uploading a QSO for AA7IA instead of AA8IA. All quite innocent no doubt.

    But, the fact that the LOTW method of QSL confirmation is blind is a huge plus for me. I appreciate the fact that I can’t see a QSO that someone else claims to have had with me unless I upload a matching QSO. It keeps me honest and avoids the temptation if i am weak in that regard [which I am not], and it keeps the other side honest to the extent that it doesn’t present the temptation to them.

    Although I’m not serious about chasing awards, I would never want to give anybody a free ride by confirming a QSO that didn’t happen. Whether or not I put in large amounts of time and effort, the fact remains that I have a small station. Many DX QSOs that I have made required a lot of effort on my part. I’d feel shortchanged if I knew for a fact that somebody else was claiming a QSO that didn’t happen.

  • Online Exchange of QSL Cards
  • eQSL wins this one hands down. LOTW is not an electronic QSL card exchange. It is there for tracking their supported awards and providing credit for those — nothing more. On the other hand, eQSL allows each user to upload their own QSL card images, which they can scan in from paper, save as an image and upload to eQSL or they can create using tools that eQSL provides. For people who simply like to exchange QSLs, this is very nice and definitely worth the price of admission.

    I myself do not care if I ever see a QSL card. Sure, I’ve received some nice ones and appreciate the time that others have spent in designing theirs and sending them to me, but I don’t get all excited about an actual QSL card image. All I am really interested in is QSO confirmations. That’s just me. I’m glad eQSL is available for those who want to have an additional way to exchange actual QSL cards.

  • Awards Exclusive to LOTW or eQSL
  • eQSL: As of this writing, eQSL supports tracking of and credit toward their own unique awards system (eAwards), which in many ways mimics various ARRL awards. Of course, these awards have nothing to do with the ARRL and credits only apply to the eQSL-specific awards. eQSL also supports various awards from the CQ Magazine awards system, such as CQ WPX, CQ WAZ, CQ USA-CA and CQ DX, as well as the DARC Contest Log (DCL).

    If you’re working towards one of these awards, eQSL may be the [only] way to go.

    LOTW: As of this writing, LOTW supports the ARRL DXCC, WAS and VUCC programs as well as CQ Magazines WPX award program.

    If you are one of those people [like myself] who prefer the ARRL awards, then this is the system to use. Just this month LOTW started supporting CQ WPX, which is an added bonus.

Written by Mike

July 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

5 Responses to 'LOTW vs eQSL – The argument continues'

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  1. Thanks for this comparison. I’m just getting started with this whole eQSL, LoTW (and QSL card) business. Another difference between LoTW and eQSL is how they handle portable operation. Both require new (subsidiary) accounts when signing callsign/p. LoTW allows specification of location when uploading the log to indicate different grid squares etc, but the log information is all under one account. eQSL requires a new (subsidiary) account for each new location.

    Malcolm VE2DDZ

    9 Jul 12 at 9:06 AM

  2. Hi Malcolm,

    Thanks for your post. You’re right. I completely overlooked that. I remember when i wanted to get a 2×1 special US callsign for a special event (the Ohio QSO Party) and wanted to add it to eQSL. They did tell me that I’d have to have a new account for it, because it couldn’t be added underneath the existing account.

    I like that LOTW allows you to have separate callsigns assigned under your account, signed by your primary cert.

    Either way though, it is a bit of a pain regardless of which service you use if you want to upload logs for multiple callsigns / the same callsign from a different county. But I do understand why they do it.

    Mike

    Mike / AA8IA

    9 Jul 12 at 12:59 PM

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    Tom Simmons

    13 Aug 12 at 1:56 PM

  4. Mike: Nice article. I use both systems, but I have yet to mail out a paper QSL card. I paid $4 via Paypal to a contest station on a faraway island, and to the best of my knowledge, I never received it. I say that because I guess it’s possible that it arrived while I was at work, and a family member thought it was a come-on from a travel agency, and tossed it.

    One annoying thing about paper QSL cards with Euro HAMs is that so many demand a SASE envelope, or a “banknote” along with YOUR card to them, or they won’t send you one in return. So I tend to answer calls only from stations that say on their QRZ page that they DO use either eQSL or LOTW, unless I’m just looking for a ragchew session.

    John Young

    10 Sep 12 at 9:05 AM

  5. Hi John,

    I’ve got a pretty mediocre setup here. On top of that, no matter how much I enjoy contesting, I am not a “contester” if you know what I mean. And, no matter how much I want to work DX and get confirmations, I’m not a “DXer” either. I don’t put the time, effort, or money into any of those endeavors.

    Don’t get me wrong, I kick myself often for throwing good money after bad in pursuit of improving my station only to find that things really didn’t improve as I had hoped.

    I confirm QSLs sent electronically via eQSL for the sake of others. I don’t put any weight in eQSL. I confirm QSLs sent electronincally via LOTW — for the benefit of both myself and the other station. LoTW makes it extremely cheap and easy to reliably confirm many stations. I also confirm QSLs that come in from the bureau (by sending out a confirming QSL via the bureau). If somebody sends me a card direct looking for confirmation, I’ll return the favor by sending back to them direct.

    After receiving so many cards via the bureau, I finally sat down for the first time and processed all the incoming QSL requests via the bureau. I manually made out about 150 QSLs and am about ready to ship them to Newington to be sent onward.

    It used to be that all I cared about was WAS. Then, after I got WAS I wanted Triple Play. After that i started focusing on DXCC. Now, I want 5BDXCC. I’ve switched from caring so much about contesting to caring more about DXing.

    When I need a confirmation from DX and they aren’t on LoTW, of course I’m forced to send out cards. It’s difficult. I haven’t gotten the knack yet. Some require you to send to a QSL manager. Some require direct. Some require IRCs, and some require dollars. I never send an SASE to DX. I do send a self-addressed envelope, but I don’t include postage. I send the IRC(s) or cash. And, of course, you never know if it’ll make it to the destination. Many of the DX stations that find it hard to get on LoTW are also often in countries where mail delivery is unreliable. My QSL to them may be opened – cash / IRC may be stolen – it may never reach them at all. You never know. I guess that’s part of the “art” of DXing.

    I do occasionally use oQRS to pay for a card from DXpeditions, whether or not they are on LoTW. i just do that to try to give a little support to them. I had been trying to figure out a way to reliably get a QSL confirmation from OD5NJ. I had read on the internet where many people just never managed to get a confirmation. Just recently Gabriel started accepting Paypal to get a QSL direct. We’ll see if that works. I corresponded with him via email to confirm that I was in his log, and then I sent a donation to hia Paypal. Supposedly this will virtually guarantee a QSL from him. I sure hope so.

    Of course, in my situation, most of the DX who are difficult to get confirmations from are DX that I haven’t worked anyway — most of Asia and the Middle East.

    I’m pretty much caught up now. I’ve only got 9 DXCC that I have worked but haven’t gotten confirmations from. Out of those nine, I think I can expect a QSL soon from two of them. For the other seven, I need to send out the QSLs / green stamps and I really have no reason to expect that the cards will ever reach them. I sure hope they do, but I’m not counting on it.

    Given the current sunspot activity and the forecasts, along with my fairly poor setup, my new endeavor is to get confirmations for every band/mode combination that I’ve worked a various DXCC. I’ll do a lot of that by sending out requests via the Bureau, but I don’t know how effective that will end up being. But I figure if new DXCC entities are that tough for me, then I can at least work on having more band slots confirmed.

    I really need to sit down and spend a few days getting software configured to work with my printer so that I can print out QSL labels and confirmation data, addresses on envelopes, etc. That sure would make life easier than writing everything by hand.

    As far as answering / working stations, I’ll work anyone who cares to work me, and if they send me a QSL direct / via bureau, I’ll send a confirmation QSL via that same method.

    Unlike most of us guys in the US [who must traverse long distances to work DX), the Euro hams can work dozens of DXCC entities without leaving europe. They also rarely need USA confirmed on a band or mode. So, for them they aren’t getting anything out of a QSL — they are QSLing for our benefit. At least that’s how I see it. So that may be why they are more often requiring us to do all of the work.

    Mike

    10 Sep 12 at 10:00 AM

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